Llandderfel to Carnedd Wen°
2906.2 m · gain 221.0 m · overall 7.6% · Llandderfel · Gwynedd
Shape: stepped — 46% of the climbing sits in a quarter of the distance; longest continuous stretch at 10%+ is 296 m.
An unlisted find of this survey, on no list we know of. It was discovered by analysing LiDAR terrain data and cross-checked against the OS road network, surface models and map tags — but despite all that, a discovery can still be an artifact of the terrain model or the map. Treat it as a well-evidenced hypothesis until someone has ridden it. If that someone is you, tell us what you found — photographs, corrections and local knowledge all welcome; the map links below let you scout it first.
° The name is provisional: this climb appears on no list we know of, so it was named from nearby map places. There is no evidence of local usage — (auto-named from gazetteer (hypothesis, unreviewed); discovered as 'Discovered lane (52.9098, -3.5065)'). Corrections welcome.
≈ Overhead cover (tree canopy or structures) spans 20% of this route — detected by comparing the surface model (DSM, treetops and rooftops) against the terrain model (DTM, bare ground). Under cover the bare-ground model is built from fewer laser returns, so metre-scale readings can wobble; maxima whose window sits in a covered zone are marked ≈ below — less certain, not wrong. Longer windows average over more clean ground and are steadier.
Gradient ladder what do windows mean?
| Window | Maximum | Located at | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2 m (diagnostic) | ≈44.1% | 154–156 m | under overhead cover terrain reads 86.6% at 0–2 m across a structure — excluded |
| 3 m (diagnostic) | ≈37.9% | 158–161 m | under overhead cover terrain reads 64.6% at 0–3 m across a structure — excluded |
| 5 m | ≈32.9% | 158–163 m | under overhead cover terrain reads 42.9% at 0–5 m across a structure — excluded |
| 10 m | ≈31.8% | 154–164 m | under overhead cover |
| 20 m | ≈27.9% | 154–174 m | under overhead cover |
| 25 m | ≈26.4% | 149–174 m | under overhead cover |
| 50 m | ≈21.9% | 125–175 m | under overhead cover |
| 100 m | ≈18.6% | 335–435 m | under overhead cover |
may_start_earlier Extent detection suggests reviewing where this climb starts/ends.
Map
Check this route yourself: Google Maps route via their router · Street View at the base where coverage exists · geojson.io our exact measured line · OpenTopoMap
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Profile
Provenance
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"calculated_at": "2026-08-12T09:09:23+00:00",
"road_source": "OpenStreetMap (local PBF extract)",
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"notes": "Coarse pass: max 16.4% over 200 m (Terrain 50), gain 187.4 m over 2071 m way. EXTENDED by graph walk: +3 segment(s) at base, +3 at top (stop: base=no_descending_continuation, top=no_ascending_continuation; min_avg=2.0%). Review before adopting. DEDUPE: absorbed 1 overlapping proposal(s): discovered-lane-52-9106-3-5027 ADOPTED (notable slice 2026-08-11): qualified-steep. AUTO-NAMED from gazetteer (hypothesis, unreviewed): was 'Discovered lane (52.9098, -3.5065)'.",
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